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Goku1910
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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  9:30:13 PM Bookmark this topic Add Goku1910 to your friends list Show Profile Send Goku1910 a Private Message Reply with Quote
Has anyone successfully made a B-Roll in Newton? I can't seem to get it work just right. A B-Roll is the new element that X-Flight at SFGAm and The Swarm at Thorpe.

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Edited by - Goku1910 on 05/16/2012 7:54:19 PM

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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  9:38:20 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Coaster Hero to your friends list Show Profile Send Coaster Hero a Private Message Reply with Quote
You mean the twist followed by the half loop?

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Real
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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  11:35:07 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Real to your friends list Show Profile Send Real an AOL message Send Real a Private Message Reply with Quote
Are you sure you arent confusing B-Roll with the fact that when it came out they called their videos "B-Roll Footage" which is basically video speak for "stock video footage" ?

RCDB doesnt use that anywhere for the element breakdown. Nor have I seen any information calling it a "B-Roll". That doesnt even make sense. Not that every other crazy name does but I think you have mistaken B-Roll footage for the name of the element.

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A113
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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  11:37:31 PM   Bookmark this reply Add A113 to your friends list Show Profile Send A113 an AOL message Send A113 a Private Message Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Real

Are you sure you arent confusing B-Roll with the fact that when it came out they called their videos "B-Roll Footage" which is basically video speak for "stock video footage" ?

RCDB doesnt use that anywhere for the element breakdown.



I was thinking the same thing.

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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  11:42:03 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Jonny Richey to your friends list Show Profile Send Jonny Richey a Private Message Reply with Quote
Lol yeah, B-roll is like the park's stock footage for advertising and stuff.

Is it really that hard to make in Newton? Seems like it would be easy

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Real
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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  11:45:46 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Real to your friends list Show Profile Send Real an AOL message Send Real a Private Message Reply with Quote


Case in point. Thats just stock video footage. Not the name of ride/element.

Edited by - Real on 11/25/2011 11:46:02 PM
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AJClarke0912
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Posted - 11/25/2011 :  11:52:09 PM   Bookmark this reply Add AJClarke0912 to your friends list Show Profile Send AJClarke0912 an AOL message Send AJClarke0912 a Private Message Reply with Quote
When I read the topic title I just thought "YES, I would love any additional visual help that would totally be easy to learn". Unfortunately, I was mislead. :(
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HZKoasters
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Posted - 11/26/2011 :  12:02:17 PM   Bookmark this reply Add HZKoasters to your friends list Show Profile Send HZKoasters a Private Message Reply with Quote
Either way, I would suggest either using a straight element with rotation on it, followed by a multizone element for the loop.
The second way would be to use only multizone but you would have to be comfortable working with high lateral and negative vertical G's.

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AJClarke0912
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Posted - 11/26/2011 :  12:32:38 PM   Bookmark this reply Add AJClarke0912 to your friends list Show Profile Send AJClarke0912 an AOL message Send AJClarke0912 a Private Message Reply with Quote
I'm sure if you did a simple bump lateral zone and a highly untense vertical zone you could make it work. Either that or Straight Geo.
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Kyle Sloane
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Posted - 11/26/2011 :  1:00:30 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Kyle Sloane to your friends list Show Profile Send Kyle Sloane a Private Message Reply with Quote
Never use straight geometry if you dont have to tho. I would say have a .8 lateral bump like ajclarke sed. And have vertical gs transition to about -.8 until upside down. Like your making half a barrel roll.
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AJClarke0912
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Posted - 11/26/2011 :  1:03:45 PM   Bookmark this reply Add AJClarke0912 to your friends list Show Profile Send AJClarke0912 an AOL message Send AJClarke0912 a Private Message Reply with Quote
Yeah with a multi you could fuse the twist and dive better, maybe making it more natural with overlapping zones.
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mkingy
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Posted - 11/26/2011 :  2:00:04 PM   Bookmark this reply Add mkingy to your friends list Show Profile Send mkingy a Private Message Reply with Quote
Yes play around with multi zone because then the element will flow properly. :)
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Goku1910
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Posted - 05/16/2012 :  7:26:14 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Goku1910 to your friends list Show Profile Send Goku1910 a Private Message Reply with Quote
Still can't get it when using Multi-zones....I can make it functional with straights but it's nothing like the real ride because the real one begins to curve at the same time it's rolling; which bring me back to using multi-zones. If anyone who's more experienced that would like to collaborate on an X-Flight Recreation I'd be more than happy to.

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IzCoaster
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Posted - 05/17/2012 :  9:09:33 PM   Bookmark this reply Add IzCoaster to your friends list Show Profile Send IzCoaster a Private Message Reply with Quote
I'm building X-Flight in nolimtis, I first started out using newton. First drop looked good, Zero-g roll was great, Immelman looked awesome, 2nd zero- roll was fine. Then came the inline twist.... I could not figure out how to get the shaping right. Im now building it by hand haha
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Coasterkidmwm
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Posted - 05/17/2012 :  9:14:41 PM   Bookmark this reply Add Coasterkidmwm to your friends list Show Profile Send Coasterkidmwm a Private Message Reply with Quote
Just bank the goddamned track. You don't need to heartline it or anything.

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jdmi012
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Posted - 06/01/2012 :  2:16:11 PM   Bookmark this reply Add jdmi012 to your friends list Show Profile Send jdmi012 a Private Message Reply with Quote
I have a relatively close hand built one

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A.S.C.
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Posted - 06/08/2012 :  2:47:46 PM   Bookmark this reply Add A.S.C. to your friends list Show Profile Send A.S.C. a Private Message Reply with Quote
There isn't much of a pre drop, it's just an angled down straight section that comes off the lift.

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boneplaya
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Posted - 06/09/2012 :  10:45:02 AM   Bookmark this reply Add boneplaya to your friends list Show Profile Send boneplaya an AOL message Send boneplaya a Private Message Reply with Quote
I don't think yours is diving soon enough. It's lucky that the first frame of the video is almost exactly the same angle as your screenshot
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IbanezCoaster
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Posted - 06/10/2012 :  3:24:42 PM   Bookmark this reply Add IbanezCoaster to your friends list Show Profile Send IbanezCoaster a Private Message Reply with Quote
I've made a pretty decent one a while back :)

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Edited by - IbanezCoaster on 06/10/2012 3:30:47 PM
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