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2008 Presidential Republican Election

Rudy Giuliani
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24%
Mike Huckabee
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27%
Duncan Hunter
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No votes
John McCain
20
21%
Ron Paul
10
11%
Mitt Romney
11
12%
Fred Thompson
5
5%
 
Total votes : 95

Post January 5th, 2008, 9:16 pm
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Originally posted by Z00Z3R

When are the primaries?

[sorry, I'm trying to get into politics now and I'm failing hardcore]


It depends on the state you live in. Iowa already had theirs and I think NH is next.

Originally posted by stinger

REPUBLICANS WILL NOT WIN,BUSH IS MAKING SURE OF THAT!


You sure? I dont think the US people will elect an African or woman president. Also, dont yell.

My vote is for Guliani. He just seems to me like the right person for the job.

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Originally posted by TConwell

Originally posted by WeeWeeSlap

tconwell, just because he shares your same views as you doesn't mean he is the best President for everyone.
I never said he was the best for everyone, I just shared my own opinion of how I felt -- which according to how you run this place, is highly encouraged. Was I wrong? [dunno]

Guitarplayer:

1. What are my views that you don't agree with? I cannot remember ever listing them for you to debate, or disagree with. I just love how people assume to know everything about me, it really brings out the idiot in one's personality (CLICK ME).

2. I wonder if the person who EDITED that video has anything feelings towards voting, oh I don't know ... Democratic? What a moron -- and using that as a source to make your point? Well, it might as well have been you that created that video.

3. As far as being able to speak ... uhhhhhh ... that's sort of part of the requirement to even think about being involved in public service. If you cannot communicate, how can you lead?




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Originally posted by TConwell



2. I wonder if the person who EDITED that video has anything feelings towards voting, oh I don't know ... Democratic? What a moron -- and using that as a source to make your point? Well, it might as well have been you that created that video.


I tried to find a video of that speech without the subtitles but I couldn't. That wasn't my point though, even ignoring the added stuff and just listening to the way Huckabee talks about everything is scary. He's using fear to get everyone to think that we need to eradicate Islam completely or else the Muslims will take over the world, when that's simply not the case.

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Originally posted by TConwell
2. I wonder if the person who EDITED that video has anything feelings towards voting, oh I don't know ... Democratic? What a moron -- and using that as a source to make your point? Well, it might as well have been you that created that video.


I think i might be uniquely qualified to respond to this since I am in fact the one who did edit this video.

I was raised Republican. When I was in middle school I read a book called "Conscience of a Conservative" by Barry Goldwater and it changed my life. I began volunteering on campaigns in High School and was told by the Republican National Commiteewoman for my state that she would have me in Washington by the time I was 30. I went to college as a Political Science major planning on pursuing a degree in foreign relations. I still carry on my key ring a presidential key chain from the first President Bush. My Presidential voting record is Dole, Bush, and Bush. I am a registered Republican and will be voting in the Republican primary this year. My hope is that I am given the opportunity to vote Republican in the general.

The fact is that the Republican Party as represented by Bush and 7 of the 8 candidates running is not the Republican Party I was raised to believe in. There is no fiscal conservatism when a Republican President and Republican Congress increase the national debt by 30%. The Federal Government has grown to irrational proportions. Instead of protecting the individual from government, we have the patriot act. Instead of the party that won the cold war through strength we have become the party that cries wolf to invade countries that have no Air Force, Navy, and no weapons of mass destruction.

The Republican Party's campaign slogan has become clear, "Vote for Us of Islamo-Facists will come here and kill your children." Ignore the subtitles, that is very clearly what Huckabee is saying. I was not the one who talked about "eradicating" people in that clip, Gov Huckabee was. The America I believe in eradicates disease, famine, genocide, but it does not eradicate people based on their beliefs.

The secret the this slogan working and not being pointed out as the most disgusting use of fear mongering ever is simple. Islam teaches people to hate us because we are free and therefore it is their moral obligation to kill us. This absolves us of all guilt and allows us to carry out wars against people who never attacked us and had no capability to.

This ignores of course the fact that we have given the Middle East plenty of reason to hate us. We (the US and Great Britain) have occupied parts of the Middle East through force since the end of WWI. We have removed Democratically elected leaders and replaced them with puppet dictators. We have had our troops in Mecca and Medina and out Navy in the Gulf for years. We have interfered in regional affairs by supporting one or both sides in armed conflicts. Our greatest enemies in the region (Hussein and Bin Laden) were at one time our strongest allies. The money Bin Laden used to organize Al Quaeda and the weapons we faced in the first gulf war in fact came from us.

They don't hate us because we are free. They hate us because we feel entitled to enforce our will on their lives. They hate us because we have killed their friends, neighbors, and family. Estimates now sit at about 500,000 Iraqis killed. That is slightly less than 2% of their population. We occupy their country and police their streets. At first we were greeted as liberators. Now they just want us to leave. We have told them we brought them democracy, but their voice is ignored by us. These people have been pushed to their limits. How many years would it take for a foreign country to occupy your streets before you took up arms to fight? How many of your neighbors would have to die before you responded? If you did, would you be a patriot or a terrorist? I agree their are radicals that hate America, but occupying a country for 6 years only makes it easier to recruit. We are breeding our enemy with every day we are there.

They aren't "Islamo-Facists" they are humans. They want a better life for themselves and their children just like we do. They don't want to kill us anymore than we want to kill them. Their leaders are demagogues, but they don't represent the mindset of the average person trying to get through the day anymore than Mike Huckabee in this speech represents the preoccupation of the average American. Stereotyping Muslims by the words of Bin Laden or the President of Iran makes no more sense than stereotyping Christians by the actions of Fred Phelps.

I can understand you taking exception to my editing, but listen to the speech. Close your eyes, don't read what I wrote. The demagoguery and fear mongering is still easy to see. Mike Huckabee should be ashamed of himself and so should the Republican Party. This is the politics of fear of the worst kind. I just tried to make it a little easier to see.

Nothing I have said here is the stuff on fiction or conspiracy theory. I will gladly support anything I have said with references to those who want a discussion.

If you are curious about who I endorse (if it isn't pretty obvious) and how I went from dressing as "Ronbo" (the political cartoon that was Reagan combined with Rambo) to voting for the only conservative in the race here is a nice video.





Power to the Peaceful

Post January 6th, 2008, 9:10 am
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I have no idea about any of these candidates or what any of it really means for America itself, but purely based on an outsiders view, you'll be better off whoever comes into power, because it won't be George Bush anymore.

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Poet: Now that was a qualified response.

It still does not change the events of (which led up to) Sept 11, nor does it change that truth I have lost 2 friends to date because of "road side bombs", and have one of our church members in Iraq today. It merely amplifies what many are thinking, but are afraid to discuss for fear of being called "politically incorrect" or "insensitive" to the plight of the Iraqi people. Gov Huckabee did not create the words used in the speech, he is merely continuing to stress the importance of our presence by using what has already been defined. Call it right or wrong, it describes the tempo and politicial breeding ground of the day.

I am not saying the following to lessen your truth in your post (on the contrary it was wonderfully amplified); but those who attacked this nation started this war, and as an active duty US Air Force member (I have served for 18 years to date with 2 to go until retirement), I applaud whatever stance it takes to finish this war -- but an immediate withdrawl (as promised by some) will be dangerous and irresponsible. Although no one can clearly predict the future we should use the past to learn from this and build on, and we ought to know what will happen to that region if the C-5s start loading up.

It saddens me to my very soul for those who have innocently lost their lives, to me that is just uncalled for. Yet, what war did the 2,000+ people engage in when they went to work that fateful morning in NY and DC? They didn't, and their blood shall be avenged. When is enough enough? Honestly, I am willing to say that I just don't know, but then again I am not in leadership on this issue, so my voice is not heard at the big table.

I understand many will never understand this position/truth because frankly, it is not the popular one to date, but I stand with my brothers and sisters in the service. To take a line from the Matrix II which best demonstrates how most active duty members explain this, the character said "understanding is not required for compliance". We take care of business, and will continue until the job is done.

As far as listening to the speech concerned with my eyes closed, I saw it live, and I applauded when he was finished. Please excuse me for the use of the word "moron" though, it was not intended as derogatory personally, but the tactic is. You see, splicing your own interpretation over someone else's presentation is parallel with what North Korea does to its citizens today (I have been there and so I can testify to this). That government intends for them to hear only what they should hear, and that is the only view they get. Contrary to what some may think, there are those in this country who are smart enough to know what he was saying, and really don't need to have it translated for us by someone who may (or may not) be an authority on the topic.

Interestingly enough, one can find an "expert" on this situation in any grocery store, bar, and store-front barber shop as well. To that I encourage people to research for themselves with their own eyes, and I am sorry, but YouTube is really not known as the "information portal for all things political".

In short, anyone can read into anything being said and put their own spin on it -- some even get paid do perform this for task (take any of the talk shows from the "authorities on the subject" presented by CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc.). Should things go a different route than what I have hoped for in November - I will weep for this nation.

Post January 6th, 2008, 12:22 pm
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The tie in of 9/11 with Iraq is not a valid link. 9/11 was orchestrated by Osama and we went in and handled biz and are still in Afghanistan looking for Osama.
Iraq was a war against "weapons of mas destruction." If it's otherwise, then what sense was it for the government to allow us to see the reasoning for them to engage in war with Iraq through televised proceedings. All throughout the proceedings it was for weapons of mass destruction and never was it proved that Iraq directly helped Osama and his goons to attack 9/11. We went into Iraq, have lost thousands of soldiers and well, what weapons of mass destruction have we found? What happened to the truckloads of weapons of mass destructions missiles that they were video taped hauling? The war was based on one big fat Bush presidency lie.

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Originally posted by stinger

REPUBLICANS WILL NOT WIN,BUSH IS MAKING SURE OF THAT!


If the American people had enough sense to see what a bad thing Bush is for this country, this quote would've held true in 2004.

After the whole Clinton/Monica scandal, and the nomination of some cardboard cutout named Gore, I can see why the Dems didn't win in 2000. Those of us in Texas voted for Bush even though he SCREWED Texas while he was governor, because we were told that all the presidents elected in a year ending in "00" got killed in office. Bush couldn't even get THAT right.

What I can't forgive American voters for, however, is 2004. We knew what a moron he was by then. We knew that he would be remembered as perhaps the worst president in US history. We re-elected him anyway. WTF?

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. Wanna be president? Get the voters fired up about some BS issue (in 2004, the secret weapon was gay marriage and abortion rights), and convince them that the country's morals are in jeopardy if you vote for the other guy. Once you're in office, you can DO NOTHING about any of your campaign promises, blame the lack of action on Congress, and run with the same scare tactics four years later.

We deserve what we get.

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He won because we started a second war 4 months earlier and people were uneasy switching presidents in the middle of that, a very rational thought. Also his negative gay marriage stance helped him a great deal at that time.

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in my opinion, all of the candidates are bad. right now, the US needs someone like ronald reagan or abe lincoln. if i could vote, id vote for mitt romney though. he seems like the least likely to screw up royally like bill clinton and george w bush did.

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Originally posted by WeeWeeSlap

The tie in of 9/11 with Iraq is not a valid link. 9/11 was orchestrated by Osama and we went in and handled biz and are still in Afghanistan looking for Osama.


Don't be too sure.

The FBI has Osama on their "Most Wanted List" for a lot of listed crimes. Absent from that list are any actions having to do with 9/11. Reason? According to the FBI, they have no hard evidence linking Osama to it. None. Zip. Zero. Considering that we were all lied to about Iraq, it's not a big stretch to imagine that we were lied to about Osama, too.

Does he need to be wiped from the earth? Hell yes. I don't think that we should stop looking for the mastermind behind 9/11, though, until we can prove we've found the right one. If we can prove it's Osama, then great... but we haven't done that yet.

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Originally posted by Tetsu
I dont think the US people will elect an African or woman president.



I was listening to a black-centric program on my local talk radio station a day or two ago and they were interviewing some prominent black political insider (didn't catch the beginning of the interview, and they didn't restate who it was, so I didn't catch his name) who had an angle that I never expected:

He suggested that black people NOT vote for Obama because the right-wingers were putting a spin on his popularity by saying "See? People are voting for a black guy. That proves that racism isn't a problem any more!"

Yowza. I would hope that people aren't stupid enough to believe that, but then again, people were stupid enough to vote for Bush even after four years of him proving that he's an idiot. Maybe idiots like to support each other?

Post January 20th, 2008, 10:43 am
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If I were from the USA, I would definately vote for Huckabee,


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Gav -- I agree. But, as of late he seems to be pushing too much "reform" and not enough positive reinforcement (read:strategy) behind is proposal(s). It worked (of course) for Hitler, but Mike is beginning to come off like a dictator and it ain't helping him.

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I have this crazy guy in my neighborhood who insists on posting Ron Paul signs all over the f*&$ing neighborhood. It's a pain really. But I get plenty of excersice walking the nights knocking those signs over. [:D] He even went as far as decaling his SUV. It says RonPaul2008 dot com all over it! That's a little obsessive.

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Yeah, Ron Paul is merely the Ross Perot of today. Lots of folks are all over his "free thinking" way of politics, but of course, he is barely getting a nod in the caucuses. I think it is time to roll this one over and call it dead -- unless by some odd chance he gets the Independant slot on the ballot.

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Originally posted by TConwell

Gav -- I agree. But, as of late he seems to be pushing too much "reform" and not enough positive reinforcement (read:strategy) behind is proposal(s). It worked (of course) for Hitler, but Mike is beginning to come off like a dictator and it ain't helping him.




You're probably right, we in Europe don't get a lot of election news, especially not republican.
It's always about Clinton and Obama and when I watch CNN it's the same.
There were polls here in the Netherlands and the result was that almost everybody would vote democratic, because they had never heard a thing about the repuclican candidates.

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I kinda have to agree with Gouldy on this one. George Bush has screwed things up so royally (look at the national debt, HOLY CHRIST!) and ANY of these people would probably do a better job than him. Because of him my new criteria for a president is:

1. Doesn't think he/she talks to Jesus
2. Is on vacation less than 1/2 of the year
3. Has more charisma than a Soviet era dildo

With that said in mind I'd like to clarify that I absolutely hate Hillary for reasons which have been stated here already and it would be super awesome for Obama or Edwards to win. Either way I'm NOT voting republican after the mess Bushy has created and I'm probably going to do the ignorant misguided "vote whatever the hell comes up democratic" strategy but we really can't do worse with that one then we did now can we?

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