Post 9/11 World

Anyone here think that the post 9/11 world americans live in sucks? I dunno about you all, but I'm kinda tired of hearing about what every person has to say about the war. Sometimes I wonder if freedom of speech was really the best thing to ever happen to this country (or this world for that matter).

The one problem with what I'm saying, however, is that I'm automatically a hypocrite for saying such things.

Anyone else ever feel this way?

i thinking being an american has blown more ass because of the actions our commander in chief has done....what a dipshit. i feel embarassed being an american because of what he has done.

Well, uhhmmm...to be honest I still think 9-11 was an inside job, but that's besides the point. And please no flaming about it - it's my opinion
To be honest, I'm tired of politics, I'm tired of war, I'm tired of everything - and that's just from reading up about stuff...face it - our world today sucks. There are so many new problems that need solving, and many conflicts (such as Israel vs Palestine and the occupation). And these aren't simple things either...
And ragan, I agree with what you say - Bush sucks. However, I don't think being American means anything - we're all part of the human race is what matters. Differences like those create conflicts, and I don't intend to attack your thoughts at all - it's a simple opinion again. I think having pride in one's country creates division and more conflicts to resolve - differences we simply can't get over.
SMer - why no freedom of speech? We all have opinions - we should all be able to share our ideas publicly - especially ideas of tolerance.
I think that post 9-11, Americans have been living more like sheep following the shepherd - I see it that way, but I suppose it's always been that way because of our specific society, in other countries (Palestine for example) it doesn't happen that way. I think we've become more paranoid to "terrorist threats" and the likes, and especially of third-world countries and what not. We as a nation are a lot more touchy about freedom now I think, so we attack others in order to bring "freedom" to them. Violence isn't the only way towards peace - but I think that people who have flawed senses of reality think that it is necessary, which is their version of trying to be realistic. Terror has suddenly become our #1 threat now, and our government has seized this opportunity to wage war.
But all this has just been a rant, hasn't it? I drifted off-topic a lot, sorry about that, but these are my general feelings about our world today. And it's not just 9-11 that changed this - there has been much more than we see - it's just that the media doesn't recognize that. If we were to cover every single thing that happened in one day, it would be impossible to read over everything that's happened...our media can't cover it all.

maybe its just the fact that I was young and naive before 9/11 and didn't recognize that americans in general have always been this way. However, the time when I realized what's going on in the world is irrelevant. The point is that americans in general are this way, and I'm kinda tired of it. Anyone else?

Man, being a young kid and not knowing things was such a happy time.

Another thing that sucks about this day and age is how young kids are starting to do things. "Research shows that in 30 years, 4th grade parties'll be where its at."

^i had my first party in 6th grade, granted it was at a hotel basement and there were like 20 parents there, but still, it _was_ a party

Originally posted by Hyper_Goliath

SMer - why no freedom of speech? We all have opinions - we should all be able to share our ideas publicly - especially ideas of tolerance.

In all honesty, freedom of speech is a bad decision. I'm no Hitler, but look how much controversy its caused over history. I'm not saying I want to be controlled, but it seems like a lot of people (mostly americans because we've got too much time and comfort resting underneath our fat asses at the war protests) abuse freedom of speech to the fullest in this day and age.

And in regards to your post and to Ragan's post (sorry to point you out, I'm sure there will be more), you two are perfect examples of what I said I'm kinda tired of. I didn't ask for your views on everything. all I asked was whether or not you were tired of hearing everyone's opinion on everything today. So basically, I'm asking if you're tired of hearing yourselves yell at a brick wall.

Originally posted by ragan

^i had my first party in 6th grade, granted it was at a hotel basement and there were like 20 parents there, but still, it _was_ a party

I don't really care about your specifics, sorry.

there is an edit button

oh, and i dont give a poop about yelling at a brick wall

ohhh, sorry about the double post, can a mod/admin delete that please? thanks.
Anyways, I don't yell at brick walls - I'm a revolutionary at my private catholic school and the administration hates me. I protest almost everything they do and I've been warned several times by the administration. And sadly enough, the students there think I'm joking. My recent protest was about how pointless school reps are: "Don't vote in a pointless election" with a picture of a puppeteer controlling a student...but the point is, I don't yell at brick walls 100%, I do take action.

[jayman]

Originally posted by SMer

Anyone here think that the post 9/11 world americans live in sucks? I dunno about you all, but I'm kinda tired of hearing about what every person has to say about the war. Sometimes I wonder if freedom of speech was really the best thing to ever happen to this country (or this world for that matter).

The one problem with what I'm saying, however, is that I'm automatically a hypocrite for saying such things.

Anyone else ever feel this way?

you're kidding .. right?

*rolls eyes*

it's simple, everyone today has their own opinion about everything which they seem to LOVE to share with everyone and somehow a lot of those opinions make it to the media. call me crazy but it gets pretty annoying after a while.

I protest almost everything they do and I've been warned several times by the administration.

they hate you because you're so annoying to em. they could care less about what you're protesting. I too go to a private catholic school, and just because your school is a private catholic school doesn't mean everyone in the administration lives by the standards they are told to try and set. Look at yourself from their point of view. If you're an adult and you're just doin your job and some kid is always protesting what you and other staff do, would you not get annoyed by yourself too?

besides, look at what you're protesting. SCHOOL REPS... WHO GIVES A poop about how pointless they might be!? ITS HIGH SCHOOL

[coolbeans326]

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble!!!!![lol]

Well, uhhmmm...to be honest I still think 9-11 was an inside job, but that's besides the point. And please no flaming about it - it's my opinion

Its not an opinion when there is proof stating otherwise.[;)] Anywho,your probably just paranoid of our current government.

coolbeans- nah, not quite, there's tons of evidence proving that 9-11 was an inside job, but that's another thing - and yes I'm not particularly fond of our government, not paranoid, i just don't like our government.

SMer- It's better than yelling at a brick wall like you thought we were. Other than that, I do go on walks for Ugandans and Palestinians and what not to try and raise awareness, but I haven't gotten around to starting that revolution yet.

i don't know about you, SMer, but i hate living in sucks (????????)
jk jk
anyway

i think the only thing i don't like is how politically correct you have to be about everything

and all the screening for terrorism

and bush ahem global warming and iraq and all that that he is stupid about

that's it

coolbeans- nah, not quite, there's tons of evidence proving that 9-11 was an inside job, but that's another thing - and yes I'm not particularly fond of our government, not paranoid, i just don't like our government.

Ok, you tell me the evidence and I will consider believing what stupid statement you STATED! Inside job, ooh, you're one of those idiots on youtube where you say you can see the building explode before the plane hits and the way it falls down etc.

Nonsense, listen to your self. It was 100% pure terror attack.

Originally posted by hyperdude

i think the only thing i don't like is how politically correct you have to be about everything

and all the screening for terrorism

u saying that I, in specific, have to be so politically correct or do you mean that everyone in general has to be so politically correct?

and yea all the screening is getting pretty annoying. getting minimum wage jobs is a lot harder than it was

Matt - this topic isn't about that, and I refuse to post anything regarding that at the moment. Last time I did that on another forum I got flamed. Granted it was a 95% conservative forum...
SMer - I think he means generally.
And it certainly seems that way too. Whenever I start talking to anyone about Israel vs Palestine, they get upset over it either because they don't care (which is more likely), or they don't know what's happening there. Other kids I talk to are just like "ya okay....so anyways..." It seems like talking about politics has become a lot harder in a sense.

to your friends...

you really don't see why the administration doesn't like you and your friends don't like talkin about politics huh?

honestly I'd do exactly what they're doin. no one really wants to talk about it on a more regular basis like you seem to want to. if you could choose between talking about somethin goin on around school or somethin goin on over in the middle east, which would you choose?

Originally posted by SMer

Originally posted by Hyper_Goliath

SMer - why no freedom of speech? We all have opinions - we should all be able to share our ideas publicly - especially ideas of tolerance.

In all honesty, freedom of speech is a bad decision. I'm no Hitler, but look how much controversy its caused over history. I'm not saying I want to be controlled, but it seems like a lot of people (mostly americans because we've got too much time and comfort resting underneath our fat asses at the war protests) abuse freedom of speech to the fullest in this day and age.

And in regards to your post and to Ragan's post (sorry to point you out, I'm sure there will be more), you two are perfect examples of what I said I'm kinda tired of. I didn't ask for your views on everything. all I asked was whether or not you were tired of hearing everyone's opinion on everything today. So basically, I'm asking if you're tired of hearing yourselves yell at a brick wall.

I don't think you fully understand what you are saying. Freedom of speech is definitley a good thing, you would not be able to say what you are saying right now without it. Just because people are expressing their opinions, which is exactly what you are doing right now, does not mean that you have to listen. You need to be able to tolerate the fact that not everybody thinks like you and it is important for you to hear other peoples opinions in order to make your opinion a better, more educated one. You say that you don't want to be controlled, but that's exactly what would happen without free speech. How would you like to get arrested for posting your opinion on the internet? It's a free country, that's why it's great. If they want to waste their time yelling at a brick wall, then they can do that, but you don't have to listen.

Originally posted by Hyper_Goliath

ohhh, sorry about the double post, can a mod/admin delete that please? thanks.
Anyways, I don't yell at brick walls - I'm a revolutionary at my private catholic school and the administration hates me. I protest almost everything they do and I've been warned several times by the administration. And sadly enough, the students there think I'm joking. My recent protest was about how pointless school reps are: "Don't vote in a pointless election" with a picture of a puppeteer controlling a student...but the point is, I don't yell at brick walls 100%, I do take action.

You're not a revolutionary. You're a stubborn child who doesn't realize that there are many better ways to get your message out there then to yell at an administration that you're paying money to.

Originally posted by SMer
Another thing that sucks about this day and age is how young kids are starting to do things. "Research shows that in 30 years, 4th grade parties'll be where its at."

HA! What research shows this? Young kids today don't do anymore than young kids did 30 years ago. My dad tells me stories of his junior high days when he and some friends would play poker with one of the teachers and the teacher would bring beer. If anything, young kids 30 years ago did more because people weren't as strict about drugs and things back then. Im pretty sure that the only parties 4th graders will ever be having is birthday parties with cake and a pinata.

thank you for putting it in a clearer way e-man

Originally posted by festivus
I don't think you fully understand what you are saying. Freedom of speech is definitley a good thing, you would not be able to say what you are saying right now without it. Just because people are expressing their opinions, which is exactly what you are doing right now, does not mean that you have to listen. You need to be able to tolerate the fact that not everybody thinks like you and it is important for you to hear other peoples opinions in order to make your opinion a better, more educated one. You say that you don't want to be controlled, but that's exactly what would happen without free speech. How would you like to get arrested for posting your opinion on the internet? It's a free country, that's why it's great. If they want to waste their time yelling at a brick wall, then they can do that, but you don't have to listen.

you're right, I don't have to listen. But when it gets to the point where its put in front of me unwillingly on something I've been doing basically all my life, thats where it gets to be too much. Say you're watchin tv and all of a sudden someone just has to spread their opinion and completely ruin the subtle mood for everyone. For instance, if you watched the Colbert Report and/or Fox and Friends last week, you'll have seen how when Fox and Friends showed a story about how a dog dialed 911 on a phone to save the owner's life, some guy HAD to go and say that it was impossible and then went on with, "if you put a monkey in front of a typewriter, eventually it will type the bible." Why did he need to go and do that? It was a story of a dog who appearantly dialed 911 with his mouth to save his owner's life! Why do you need to go and do that and just completely ruin the sutble story? Thats just one time. I can recall countless times where I'm sitting there watching tv or I'm at a movie theater or I'm walkin somewhere and someone always has to put out an opinion. My point is that its getting kind of hard to not listen to.

Originally posted by festivus

HA! What research shows this? Young kids today don't do anymore than young kids did 30 years ago. My dad tells me stories of his junior high days when he and some friends would play poker with one of the teachers and the teacher would bring beer. If anything, young kids 30 years ago did more because people weren't as strict about drugs and things back then. Im pretty sure that the only parties 4th graders will ever be having is birthday parties with cake and a pinata.

it was a joke

"if you could choose between talking about somethin goin on around school or somethin goin on over in the middle east, which would you choose?"
Middle East, hands down, I'm much more interested in thigns like that than omfg the school dance lawlzzz!111 Unfortunately for me, most peope don't agree.

"You're not a revolutionary. You're a stubborn child who doesn't realize that there are many better ways to get your message out there then to yell at an administration that you're paying money to."
I never claimed to be a revolutionary. Stubborn? Don't judge someone because of the way they talk online. Yell at an administration I pay money to? I do more than that - I do go to protests and what not sometimes, but making a difference in a school is still making a difference. I don't yell at the administration about my opinions, I don't yell at them at all - I protest, that's not yelling at them, it's simply sticking my opinion out there for the sheepish student body to consider.
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Originally posted by Hyper_Goliath

"if you could choose between talking about somethin goin on around school or somethin goin on over in the middle east, which would you choose?"
Middle East, hands down, I'm much more interested in thigns like that than omfg the school dance lawlzzz!111 Unfortunately for me, most peope don't agree.

"You're not a revolutionary. You're a stubborn child who doesn't realize that there are many better ways to get your message out there then to yell at an administration that you're paying money to."
I never claimed to be a revolutionary. Stubborn? Don't judge someone because of the way they talk online. Yell at an administration I pay money to? I do more than that - I do go to protests and what not sometimes, but making a difference in a school is still making a difference. I don't yell at the administration about my opinions, I don't yell at them at all - I protest, that's not yelling at them, it's simply sticking my opinion out there for the sheepish student body to consider.
edit:spelling correction

You never said you were a revolutionary? Then what did you mean when you said

Originally posted by Hyper_Goliath I'm a revolutionary at my private catholic school...

Rethink you're means of getting you're message across. Think more Ghandi and less Malcolm X, and, while you're at it, consider you're audience. You're not going to accomplish sh*t if you're whining as a student to the administratiion unless you find a way to touch on their level and protest in a mature manner. Yelling and complaining just shows them that you are in fact the child that they make you out to be.