A letter from a Marine

Originally posted by Judd97
I agree that movies tend to stretch and.... cook... the facts (i think the actual number is around 911 degrees Farenheit)

[lol] ROFLMBO!!!! [lol]

Originally posted by TConwell

America did not drop the nuke until 4 years after the war had been waged.

Pearl was in 1941, Hiroshima was in 1945. It was not like the next week that we dropped it, it was after a long war and this was to end it. Japan had been given more than enough chances to surrender as we had them beat, and still they continued, so Emperor Hirohito got what he asked for, the death of his countrymen. Then, (here is my heart burn) ... we go back to Japan and rebuild it. Geesh, what a waste of money.

IMHO..im glad we droped the nuke, shows other counrties were serious. TConwell pretty much explained all that happened

Hey, just so everybody knows, I was having an odd day, and I'm back. Ignore my posts from then though. Anyway, I'm going to get some points to change my title again. I'm also apologizing for any harm I did.

[Master of Puppets]

Originally posted by pacoasterrider


IMHO..im glad we droped the nuke, shows other counrties were serious. TConwell pretty much explained all that happened

So technically if North Korea nuked the USA, it would just be North Korea showing the rest of the world that they are serious. I mean the thousands of lives affected in Japan by the radiation of the nuke is just as severe if not worse than 9/11. Also, using your logic, the whole 9/11 thing should be forgotten because it was just Osama Bin Laden showing he was serious.

Clueless....

Judd, you are also mis-informed and too "patriotic" (if that's the word I should use) for your own good. It's clouding your brain.
FYI, it wasn't the US who took down Germany. Not by itself anyway. It was the Allied Forces, which the USA was a part of. Along with Britain, Russia, Canada so on and so forth. Even if you wanted to get really technical and do your little "who did what" game, Russia had a lot more to do with Germany than the US did.

By the way, did it ever occur to you that instead of bashing the movie, to look beyond Moore's sick way of presenting info and just listen to the info? Plus it's FAHRENHEIT, not Farenheit, since you wish to be one to correct spelling.

Also I didn't like F-9/11, I thought it was boring and the way the info was present in such a "I hate bush" way was kind of sickening. But it did bring forward many facts, none of which are wrong. Just opinionated and biased in the way it was presented.

I'm mis-informed and too "patriotic"? What, are you trying to say that I didn't know that we were fighting as a member (a very prominent member) of the AEF? Britain was on the verge of occupation by Germany. In fact, a few channel islands WERE occupied by German forces. Luckily, Operation Sealion never took place thanks to the British victory with the Battle of Britain. American pilots flew and a few gave their lives in that battle. Others went on to join the three Eagle squadrons that supported Britain throughout the rest of the war. Not to mention the Lend-Lease act which accounted for quite a bit of Britains supplies. Russia was completely annihilated by Germany throughout the first five years of the war. When you suffer 27 million casualties in a span of 8 years, you know something isn't right. They suffered more casualties then EVERY allied country combined. It wasn't until American forces opened up a new front that Russia was able to beat back the German advance (with the help of the weather, mind you). Canada, I don't know how much German ass they kicked. They were totally unprepared for war. At the beginning of the war the Canadian military had 20 thousand full-time soldiers with little leadership and supplies. Canada had absolutely NO share in strategic planning, which was totally under the control of the combined Chiefs of Staff (primarily the US with the help of GB). The bulk of the fighting forces were reserves. I'm not belittling the contribution that those people made, but as a country, they didn't really "kick hitler's ass".

Admiral Yamamoto said it best when he described the US as a "Sleeping Giant".

I have a question for you history buffs. Where was Canada, Britain, and Russia in the Pacific Front? You may argue that Japan never attacked those countries (even though Russia WAS threatened thanks to Japanese occupation of most of China) and so therefore, they have no reason to fight or fear Japan. Well, Germany didn't attack us, and yet we came to the aid of our Allies when they needed help. Sure, tiny skirmishes went down around Singapore and the Malay Peninsula, but they didn't affect the war.

So, MOP, I'm curious to know how exactly America DIDN'T kick Nazi Germany's ass?

[Master of Puppets]

Originally posted by Judd97

So, MOP, I'm curious to know how exactly America DIDN'T kick Nazi Germany's ass?

Because Russians, British and god forbid it, but Canadian soldiers were there with the Americans. And you can rest assure that when the Germans waved the white flag and all was said and done, the good American people didn't inform everyone else that they were useless and it was all the wonderful Americans who took care of things.

Now 60 years later we have wonderful people such as you who shift all the lives spent by these other countries in the allied forces and imply that it was "America who kicked Nazi Germany's ass".

As for the pacific, you imply that America needs no help, so what are you whining about?

After that pacific nonsense was done the Americans finally went and helped in europe because they knew that if the other members of the Allied Forces lost, the Americans would be next and they couldn't hold the germans off themselves.

No doubt that America is a sleeping giant. They have lots of money and lots of people. What's your point? I never said they didn't hold a part in things. I just said they didn't do it themselves.


Just on a personal note, I think it's pretty sad the way you belittled Canada, mostly because members of my family went to war over there and died for the greater good of everyone. Maybe they didn't do the strategic planning. Maybe they were unprepared, but the people saddled up anyway and went over there and fought alongside everyone else. We have rememberance day for our war veterans the same way you have veterans day. The way you wrote that implys that the Canadians who did go, did it for nothing. That's pretty love disrespectful if you ask me. I never put down the american soldiers and I never once said they were useless, all I said was they didn't do it themselves.

"Show me facts where the USA kicked Hitler's ass. Methinks someone needs to research WWII some more before shooting off at the mouth."

I just showed you the facts.

"Good back-pedaling. Nobody said Hitler didn't lose and nobody said nazi's ruled the world. All that was stated is that the americans didn't "kick his ass" as you so eloquently put it."

Changing your "spelling-error"? Good back-pedaling

And then you back-pedal even more. You try to tell us that all along what you were REALLY trying to say was " It was the Allied Forces, which the USA was a part of."

No, what you originally said was what I quoted above. I showed you how we, in fact, did kick Nazi Germany's ass. Not once did I belittle any other country involved in the Allied Expeditionary Force. I provided COLD HARD FACTS and if you think by providing these facts, I am somehow belittling your country, I think you should take a look at yourself before you accuse anyone of belittling. Ever since you've entered this thread, all you've done is belittled others, especially Paco.

Don't be a hypocrit and try to turn it around on me simply because you don't have any argument to back your original claim. Trick tracking to the simple, stupid claim of "It was the Allied Forces, which the USA was a part of", which everybody (even those people who are 15, need I say more) knows is just plain dumb.

[coolbeans326]

dude, I think MoP won that one. His point is that it wasn't just America giving thier lives. And other countries should be honored as well. Which is true. This is basically the whole point of the topic that your missing. Respect soldiers for just fighting for thier country. No matter how little or how much they did to win the war. They all risk thier live to better thier country, and they all deserve the same respect. Even if you don't agree with what they're doing. Sometimes you never actually know what's going on until your there.

Originally posted by thecool326

Even if you don't agree with what they're doing. Sometimes you never actually know what's going on until your there.

And to add to that: Go see a recruiter ... they can help you get "there" ... easily.

[Master of Puppets]

Fixing an error isn't back pedalling you jackass, it's correcting a mistake.

I didn't back pedal at all, I originally stated that the americans didn't kick hitler's ass. You will also notice I never once said in my original post who did kick their ass, which I mentioned later as being the allied forces. Your facts included "help from here" and "help from there" which brings it back to being not just the americans. That's what your facts presented.

On the issue of "paco" he should be slapped for making stupid comments such as "I'm glad we dropped a nuke on Japan".

Imagine the uproar if someone said they were glad people flew planes into the US's towers in NYC?

Perhaps a little lotion for that burn mark pacoaster?

And oh, MOP ... "paco" ... ... that is gonna stick now!!!

[Oscar]

let's call him Taco, reminds me of the taco bell chihuahua. Put some hot sauce on that chihuahua and you could sell it in the street taco stands in LA [pshades]

[coolbeans326]

^ If only thier was a rofl smiley[lol]

Perhaps a little lotion for that burn mark pacoaster?

By lotion were you referring to lubrication and by burn mark did you mean ass? You need to watch what your saying round here or otherwise coaster992001 will be all over you like a packet of ham!

^ oh man ... it has got to be the codeine affecting my reason .... I was more referring to paco getting a little save for that chafing he just got ...

Curious though, that you would draw that inference ...

Originally posted by Master of Puppets

Originally posted by pacoasterrider


IMHO..im glad we droped the nuke, shows other counrties were serious. TConwell pretty much explained all that happened

So technically if North Korea nuked the USA, it would just be North Korea showing the rest of the world that they are serious. I mean the thousands of lives affected in Japan by the radiation of the nuke is just as severe if not worse than 9/11. Also, using your logic, the whole 9/11 thing should be forgotten because it was just Osama Bin Laden showing he was serious.

Clueless....

Judd, you are also mis-informed and too "patriotic" (if that's the word I should use) for your own good. It's clouding your brain.
FYI, it wasn't the US who took down Germany. Not by itself anyway. It was the Allied Forces, which the USA was a part of. Along with Britain, Russia, Canada so on and so forth. Even if you wanted to get really technical and do your little "who did what" game, Russia had a lot more to do with Germany than the US did.

By the way, did it ever occur to you that instead of bashing the movie, to look beyond Moore's sick way of presenting info and just listen to the info? Plus it's FAHRENHEIT, not Farenheit, since you wish to be one to correct spelling.

Also I didn't like F-9/11, I thought it was boring and the way the info was present in such a "I hate bush" way was kind of sickening. But it did bring forward many facts, none of which are wrong. Just opinionated and biased in the way it was presented.

If we don't nuke Japan, then we would of let them destroy one of our Harbor's and what would we of done to them??? If american is under the idea of "Oh we can attack and nothing happens to us" that would just ruin us. Here's a quote from a country song, i don't listen to country but this is a good song

"Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle it's cage
and you'll be sorry that you messed with the U S of A
cause well put a boot in your ass it's the american way"

Originally posted by Master of Puppets

Originally posted by pacoasterrider


IMHO..im glad we droped the nuke, shows other counrties were serious. TConwell pretty much explained all that happened

So technically if North Korea nuked the USA, it would just be North Korea showing the rest of the world that they are serious. I mean the thousands of lives affected in Japan by the radiation of the nuke is just as severe if not worse than 9/11. Also, using your logic, the whole 9/11 thing should be forgotten because it was just Osama Bin Laden showing he was serious.

Clueless....

Judd, you are also mis-informed and too "patriotic" (if that's the word I should use) for your own good. It's clouding your brain.
FYI, it wasn't the US who took down Germany. Not by itself anyway. It was the Allied Forces, which the USA was a part of. Along with Britain, Russia, Canada so on and so forth. Even if you wanted to get really technical and do your little "who did what" game, Russia had a lot more to do with Germany than the US did.

By the way, did it ever occur to you that instead of bashing the movie, to look beyond Moore's sick way of presenting info and just listen to the info? Plus it's FAHRENHEIT, not Farenheit, since you wish to be one to correct spelling.

Also I didn't like F-9/11, I thought it was boring and the way the info was present in such a "I hate bush" way was kind of sickening. But it did bring forward many facts, none of which are wrong. Just opinionated and biased in the way it was presented.

If we don't nuke Japan, then we would of let them destroy one of our Harbor's and what would we of done to them??? Nothing at all. If the world views the usa as "Oh we can attack and nothing happens to us" then we wouldn't be where we are now. Here's a quote from a country song, i don't listen to country but this is a good song

"Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle it's cage
and you'll be sorry that you messed with the U S of A
cause well put a boot in your ass it's the american way"

"Imagine the uproar if someone said they were glad people flew planes into the US's towers in NYC?"

People say that everyday. In fact, in Britain, there is a rap song praising it.

Thats not really a good analogy either. We dropped the bombs on Japan after a four, going on five, year war and we did it to save American lives. Hirohito was given numerous chances to end his hopeless war, he didn't. Not even after the first atomic bomb was dropped did he throw in the towel. If you want to blame anyone for those bombs, blame him.

At any rate, I'm done with this pointless debate. If you can't discuss history without being mature or bitchy about it, thats your own deal. I'm just sick and tired of all this America bashing.

Originally posted by Judd97
I'm just sick and tired of all this America bashing.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT! That's basically what im in this for, hello i thought we were all allies. Im sure america could take over any counrty if they felt like it, with all the advanced technology going on at Area 51 and stuff. Just be happy George Bush isn't like Hitler, or america could rule the world easily.

shut up taco, noone loves you, not even your girlfriend (right-hand)

[Master of Puppets]

Originally posted by pacoasterrider

be happy George Bush isn't like Hitler, or america could rule the world easily.

America could rule the world easily eh? Thanks Adolf. Beating up on a hopeless nation like Iraq is one thing, taking on the rest of the world is a whole different boat.

As for "being where we are now"... Economy going down, rest of world basically despises the US because of their "we are the world police" attitude. Man, I wish I had THAT image.

You are sick of America bashing, everyone else is sick of you bashing everyone but America. This includes other americans. Remember with your "America is so great and everyone else sucks" attitude, you are what's wrong with the country. There are so many Americans that are awesome, then there are assholes such as you who give the rest a bad name.

Amen to that!

MOP.

Although I am not sure HE personally gives America a bad name, but I can think of several politicians who are solely helping to prosper division in this nation rather than working to solve the problem ... starting with about 2/3rds of the Democratic party.

And, uh paco, with the Toby Keith song ... man ... that was out three years ago. It was not adopted as our new anthem or anything, so let that one go. [;)]

Yeah paco, and anyways, the american way isnt to stick a boot up other countries' arses, it is to make the other countries think that the boot is a great product and then we sell it to them.

[Oscar]

I would say the republican party rather than the democratic one Mr T.