The Worst Day Of Formula 1: USA

FN, i dont know, or really care which tires are used by F1, my point is that they are just stupid for even allowing crap tires to be used on the track.

[hyyyper]

The tires ain't crap, the rode many races without much accidents.....this was just a production failure.....

Yes, because the Tyres can't handle the vertical g force on the banked turn, this is what happend to Ralf in Qualifiying, when he had a big smash.

[hyyyper]

it is the best park of the track IMO, and i hate to not see that crash, would look nice....

Heres something maybe you guys didnt know:

FIA allows each team and company to bring 2 types of tires. Usually, you bring a harder compound tire as backup just incase the softer ones dont work.

Michelin chose to NOT bring those second sets that probably would have worked.


Whos fault is it now? Its not the FIA's fault that Michelin didnt PREPARE. They said that its normally custom anyways for them to bring that second set but they didnt.


Guess its a lesson learned the hard way.

I love how Real is always full of usefull information [;)]

Pumpmeup, I try to be informative.

Actually, I read this on Fox Sports News from someone who follows the sport exclusivly. They had a column (like so many others) on the very incident - but more indepth.

Real's information is correct, BUT, it's irrelevant. Neither Michelin nor Bridgestone bring hard compound backup tires to the races, because if the teams have a problem with their original set, there's no chance they will be competitive with the backup set, so every team brings the same type of tire to use as a backup. To suggest that this was irresponsible on Michelin's part is not quite right, because the same could happen to Bridgestone.

To whomever said that they wished Schumacher was hit with debris, I hope you are joking, because that's pretty asinine. After all, what the hell did he do, other than drive his car. He can't just quit racing because the other teams aren't out there. Number one, he's not the one making the call to race, and number two, it's not his problem. You can't just waste so many hours of time preparing for the race and end up quitting just because it'd be "nice."

Originally posted by McFly

and number two, it's not his problem.

That is exactly what Barrichello said in the press conference.

Still McFly, the option remains.

Plus, as stated before, they had to know it wouldnt react the same. If not, they arent the brightest individuals around, thats for sure. Not that I knew, but I would expect more from these tire companies that pour millions into research of just the perfect compounds for these cars.


Obviously though, it didnt happen to bridgestone because their tire could handle it. I was just saying the option was there and given the fact they were probably uncertain about the conditions, it would have only have been wise to carry that backup set.


Some points would have been better than no points, dont you think? (btw, that sort of thing seperates the good from the great - a great driver would have found a way to make the harder tires work because who knows, they might have evened out with the g-forces and surface.)

Yeah, I know the option remains, but it's a pretty fantastical option in the eyes of the teams. Michelin couldn't have really anticipated a problem, as they've never had one before this season or at the track. The only fix, IMO, would be to have a single tire manufacturer supply all teams. Universal tires would've surely allowed for some compromise with the FIA.

[hyyyper]

You guys, it was a production line failure, it had nothing to do with spare tires....And every team did bring in to set of tires, don't you guys look in the pits, 8 tires per driver?

Where did you get this information? I haven't heard this? And if it was a production line problem, I don't think the problem would just pop up because of the banked turn, and the tires would be fine otherwise. Additionally, I don't know how Michelin could have a problem in the manufacturing stage, because I'm sure there would be much advanced testing to notice a problem before they just send the tires out to the teams.

[hyyyper]

Oh, i'll tty explaining, well, there hasn't gone anything wrong with the production like using the wrong kind of rubber, but michelin was so stupid not the calculate the forces of the indy turn, wich made the tires explode after 10-15 laps. Bridgestone, on the other hand, did use the data of the banked turn to make the tires better..... hopes it make more sense now.
And all of this was just shown on tv the whole weekend...

Oh ok, so what you are saying, is that Real and I were right all along.

Plus, it may not be that Bridgestone even used information about the banked turn. It's highly possible that they just got lucky. Remember, their tires have been slower than Michelin all year, and their tires are of a different construction, and may be harder than Michelin's tires. Also, the problem could just be due to Toyota and Renault running lower tire pressures, enhancing the sidewall problem that occured due to the banked turn and caused the tire failures.

Originally posted by McFly

Oh ok, so what you are saying, is that Real and I were right all along.

LOL


Yea. I just dont think its acceptable that just because Michelin doesnt race on those tracks normally that its an excuse. They KNOW the tracks they race each year. They KNOW Indy is a banked oval and they KNOW they race on part of it.


Thats where I just dont accept "We didnt know". They knew, they just assumed - and it bit them in the butt. They could have tested in the off season if it was that big a deal to them.

I dont understand it. My favorite team being Mclaren, i was shocked that they made kimi come in, knowing he was 2nd in points. cant michelin talk to goodyear who tires Nascar for help on banked turns? or maybe it was the car setup and not the tyres at all...

[hyyyper]

They should be going for one type of tire, so there will be a race or no race at all.

^That won't happen. F1 would lose too much advertising revenue if the FIA booted one of the tire manufacturers off the circuit.

[hyyyper]

Then let the teams take 4 kinds of tires: Bridgestone-soft, Bridgestone-hard, Michelin-soft, Michelin-hard

[Oscar]

Hell, they should race without tires. Good old days, rock wheels, they rule!

[hyyyper]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabadabadouuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

Originally posted by hyyyper

Then let the teams take 4 kinds of tires: Bridgestone-soft, Bridgestone-hard, Michelin-soft, Michelin-hard

They can take those all those choices. It is after they qualify that they can't change their tire choices. And also remember that the tires this year are under alot more stresses having to withstand an entire race instead of half or a third of a race.

[hyyyper]

Yeah, true, you could see that with raikonen (o think) a few races ago where his tire blasted of in the last lap, he was pissed off man

Yeah, but that was his fault. His tire wouldn't have failed if he hadn't flat-spotted his tire by locking up earlier in the race.